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发表于 2015-8-30 16:27:46 | 显示全部楼层         论坛脱发植发交流QQ群:86809880
本帖最后由 好头发翻译小组 于 2015-10-20 21:35 编辑

链接:http://www.hairlosstalk.com/inte ... nay-2835-Grafts-FUE
主题:Dr. Hakan Doganay 2835 Grafts FUE
ID:Swoop



Hey guys, In this thread I am presenting my 2835 FUE procedure with Hakan Doganay (AHD CLINIC). My surgery took place in January over the course of 2 days.
大家好,这篇文章我将介绍Hakan医生给我做的2835的单位无痕植发手术(在AHD诊所做的)。我的手术是在1月2号做的。

Introduction
介绍

I am 25 years old. Mainly active on other forums like bth, hairlosshelp, hairlosstalk and stopaga under the same username. Been around for like 2+ years on these forums. What started as a search to explore my possibilities of battling androgenetic alopecia it also became an interest for me. As much that after finishing a degree in economics I started a study in bio science. I am working on a paper for the NCBI about AGA & senescence currently.
我今年25岁,我主要是用同一个用户名活跃在像hairlosshelp, hairlosstalk and stopaga这样的论坛上。我大概在这些论坛上呆了两年多吧。我开始这段经历是为了寻找对抗雄性激素脱发的可能性,同时它也成为我的一个兴趣。更像完成经济学学位后,我开始在生物科学研究。我目前致力于获取NCBI证书,它是关于AGA以及衰老的。

Nonetheless, aside from that obviously the journey began primary to reverse my baldness. I managed to maintain and regrow a bit using compounds, while I was definitely happy with that it wasn’t enough. I wanted a better hairline and so did I chose to go for a FUE treatment.
然而,除此之外很显然这段旅程主要的为了扭转我的秃顶。我设法使用化合物来维持和再生很多头发,然而我很清楚这是不够的。我想要一个更好的发际线,所以我才选择去做FUE植发治疗。

Choosing the doctor
选择医生


I quickly narrowed my choice to Dr. Hakan Doganay and Dr. Koray Erdogan. I lost some confidence in Dr. Koray Erdogan though. First of all because the communication through e-mail was incredibly slow and abrupt. Funny enough I spoke to someone from the United Kingdom on the last day of my stay at the AHD clinic and he said exactly the same. Secondly I feel that he takes the “safe road” by working with a overestimation and usage of graft numbers.
我很快将我的选择缩小在Hakan医生和Koray医生之间。然而我对Koray医生失去了一些信心。首先是因为和他之间的邮件通信速度是令人难以置信的慢和突然。有趣的是在AHD诊所呆的最后一天我对某个来自英国的人讲了自己对他的看法,他跟我说的完全一样。其次,我觉得他有可能虚报了一些移植单位。

On the other side the communication with Dr. Hakan Doganay was very good and quick. They answered all my questions in detail & transparency. Not only that they were very open to input from my side which I liked extremely much.
另一方面,和Hakan医生之间的交流非常好而且快。他们非常详细和清晰的回答我的所有问题。不仅如此,他们给我的印象是非常的开放,这使得我非常喜欢。

I had 2 important requests prior to scheduling my FUE procedure; First of all that is splitting the surgery in 2 days. They were open to that and it was no problem I liked that because especially with FUE when the grafts are extracted it puts a massive amount of oxidative stress on the hair follicles. The hair follicles reside in a generally moderate to severe hypoxic state (low oxygen) in your skin, removing them from that optimum environment is detrimental. Even if adequate mediums are used like hypothermosal with ATP, mixed with PRP etc. I still think the best option is to minimize the time the grafts are outside the body. Which can ultimately only help with achieving a higher yield. Aside from that there are other positive sides with it too as I experienced in during the 1st operation day which you will read further in my story. The 2nd request of me was that all implantations were performed by Dr. Hakan Doganay himself which they agreed upon too. So the choice was set; a surgery with Dr. Hakan Doganay.
在安排我的FUE手术之前我有两个重要的要求;首先将我的手术分为两天做完。他们持开放态度,并且这样做也没问题。我喜欢这样是因为特别是FUE当移植提取时,它释放大量的氧化应激素到毛囊上。毛囊在你的皮肤上处于中度甚至是重度缺氧的状态,从最佳的生长环境除去它们是不利的。即使足够的介质用于像hypothermosal与ATP,与PRP等混合我仍然认为最好的办法是尽量减少移植物在体外的时间。这最终只能帮助实现更高的产量。除了上述原因,它还有其他一些积极的因素,在我经历了第一天的手术之后你们将会从我的故事中获得更多的东西。我的第二个要求是所有的移植必须是Hakan医生亲自来做,这也是他们同意了的。所以这样就做了让Hakan医生为我做手术的决定。



Arrival 1st day;
第一天


Landed in the evening in Antalya was picked up by Muslum (representative of Dr. Hakan Doganay), plus another guy of the clinic forgot his name. All went smooth. Arrived at the private hospital, was escorted to my room and I went for a nap as it was becoming late and I had surgery the next day.
到达Antalya的当晚是Muslum接待了我(他代表着Hakan医生),还有其他一些我忘了名字的诊所医生。一切都进展顺利。到达私人医院以后,我被带到的房间之后就去睡觉了,因为当时已经很晚了,而且明天我还要做手术。


2nd day;
第二天


Was woken up quite early like 6:30 AM and a nurse came in to take blood of me. They measure your blood for around different values to make sure you are healthy etc. Then later I was supposed to have surgery that day but Muslum came to me that there was a problem. The problem was that a very good friend of Dr. Hakan Doganay passed away and if we could re-schedule my operation. I was fine with that, they gave me 2 options either do a 2x a session in one day. So extract half of grafts the first session, implant them take a break and then resume with the other half. This would still cope with my request of having the grafts stay the minimum time outside of the body. Or they gave me an option to stay 1 day longer and they would obviously compensate the new tickets I had to book. I chose for the first option. Dr. Hakan Doganay also drew my hairline this morning and said I needed 2500 grafts. I had enough donor but I have quite fine hair in the donor area, which I already knew. Dr Hakan Doganay doesn’t really speak good English but Muslum always made sure every question or request I had was translated correctly.
我6点半就早早地起来了,一个护士过来抽了我的血,他们通过测量你的血液的各种不同参数来确定你的身体健康等情况。之后,本来那天我应该有一场手术,Muslum却过来告诉我出了一个问题,Hakan医生的一个好朋友去世了,他希望能重新约定一个做手术的时间,我对此没有意见,他们给了我两个选择,第一个选择是一天做两次手术,第一次提取一半的要移植的头发,植入后休息一会儿再提取另一半,这样就能解决我提出的要使移植的头发离开人体最少的时间的要求。第二个选择是我在那里多留一天,他们会补偿我订购新票的钱。我选择了第一个方案,Hakan医生在那天早上画了我的发际线,他说我需要移植2500根头发。我有足够的供移植的头发,而且我已经知道我可供移植的区域的头发长得非常好。Hakan医生的英语讲得并不是很好,但是Muslum总是能准确地翻译我的每一个问题与要求。

So there I was expecting to have my surgery that day, but unfortunately that wasn’t possible anymore. Muslum came to me and said don’t worry I’ll show you around Antalya today. He picked me up at like 12AM at my room and we went on a tour through Antalya. The weather was like 17 degrees really lovely. We had a drink, walked around the old & new city and enjoyed some Turkish cuisine later. I actually felt like I was on vacation instead going for a trip to Turkey for a hair transplant. Muslum is a really good host and really a relax guy to hang around with. At like 6PM we headed back after a nice day of sightseeing & relaxing in Antalya.
因此我希望当天就能做手术,但不幸的是那变得不可能。Muslum过来安慰我,让我不要担心,而且他还说带我在Antalya周围转一转。他在中午12点的时候来我的房间接我,我们一起去游Antalya。当时的温度大概是17度,让人感到非常的舒适,我们品尝了美酒,游走了新旧城区,后来还吃了土耳其菜,我觉得我是在度假,而不是来土耳其进行移植手术的。Muslum是一个非常好的主人,与他一起游玩让人非常的放松。


3th day (1500 grafts);
第三天(移植1500单位)


So I woke up in the morning and ate some breakfast. Muslum picked me up and brought me to Dr. Hakan Doganay. Again he inspected my hair, and started drawing the hairline again. We agreed upon 2.5K grafts and opt for a high density because of my thin hair. Then my hair was shaved, blood was taken for PRP etc. and I was brought to a room were the extractions began. All went smooth. They always made sure I was comfortable and Muslum was there often to make sure If I needed something or had some questions. After 1500 extractions there was a quick break and Dr. Hakan Doganay started to implant them all. However during the implantation (almost halfway through) Muslum said that my grafts were popping out too much if the Dr. tried to place the hair follicles in a high density. So I was like damn, and asked Muslum if after all I can stay one day longer and we can split the surgery in 2 days. Hakan Doganay agreed with me that this was the best option. I was quite happy anyway because of that, as you see such problems may also arise. Waiting an extra day would ensure the blood coagulated properly so that popping shouldn’t be an issue anymore. I still don’t know why it was an issue in my case, perhaps because I was a bit too excited and my blood pressure was higher than normal. Nonetheless it didn’t matter anyway. I felt great aside from a brief moment when my anesthesia worked out on my right temple. I stupidly didn’t ask for extra anesthesia but just bit through the pain which felt like a sort of burning coal on my temple for 15 minutes. The injections themselves were less painful for me. After everything was done I was a bit tired though so I just went to my room and relax to prepare for the next day.
同样的,早上起来吃一些早餐,Muslum过来接我到Hakan医生那里去,Hakan医生再次检测了我的头发,然后又画了发际线。我们商量好移植2500根头发,并且选择一个头发浓密的区域,因为我的头发本就很薄。然后他们剃光了我的头发,抽取一些我的血液提取富含血小板血浆等,再把我带到另一间房间开始提取头发,所有的程序有条不紊的进行,他们总是确保我让我觉得舒服,Muslum也经常在旁边关注我是否需要什么或有什么问题。当提取完1500根头发后,我们短暂的休息了一会儿,Hakan医生开始将头发全部移植。然而在移植过程中(差不多进行到一半),Muslum告诉我,如果Hakan医生要把我的头发的毛囊移植得太密集会有不适感,于是我像个傻子一样询问Muslum我是否可以多呆一天,将今天的移植分两天完成。Hakan医生很赞同我的意见,他认为那是最好的选择,我因此很高兴,正如你所见,问题还是可能出现。多呆一天能确保血液适当凝固,这样就不用担心不适的问题了。我始终不知道为什么在我移植的过程中会出现问题,或许是因为我太兴奋,导致我的血压高于一般人,即使这样,也没什么问题。整个过程除了右太阳穴麻醉起作用时有过片刻的疼痛,其他一切都很好。我当时很傻,当太阳穴像煤灼烧一般持续疼痛了15分钟的时候居然没有再多要一些麻醉,注射对于我来说并不算太疼。当所有的事情都完成后,我感觉有一点累,于是回房休息,为明天做准备。



4th day (1335 grafts)
第四天(移植1335根)


Same story, I ate some breakfast and was brought to a room where they started extracting. They extracted 1335 grafts instead of 1000 grafts to my surprise but I didn’t care. We took a break and then Dr. Hakan Doganay started implanting them. There was no problem of graft popping now, which was obviously very nice to hear. This day was very comfortable, I learned from the first day and asked for some extra anesthesia on my right temple after the initial one when I felt the burning again. It immediately relieved the pain and the operation day was comfortable for me. When all grafts were extracted I headed to my room again for some rest and Muslum kind as he is ordered a big pizza for me and him. After that I just laid down and went to sleep.
同样的,吃过早餐后我又被带到了他们提取头发的房间,令我惊讶的是他们今天提取了1335根,而不是和往常一样提取1000根,不过我并不在意。短暂的休息后,HaKan医生开始移植,现在已经不担心移植过程中发出的悦耳的爆炸声。今天移植的过程非常的舒服,我从第一次的情况中吸取教训,在最初的灼烧疼痛后要了一些额外的麻药用在在右边的太阳穴上,很快就舒缓了疼痛,今天的操作过程中我一直很舒服。所有的头发提取完后我回到自己的房间休息,善良的Muslum为我和他点了一个大大的披萨,吃完后我就躺下休息了。


5th day (washing day and leaving)
第五天(洗干净,离开)


Woke up had some breakfast again. Went downstairs to have a wash of my hair. They basically explained post operative care and gave some stuff. Paid the remaining of the surgery and was brought to the airport later.
起床后吃了一些早餐,下楼把头发洗干净。他们简单的讲了一下术后护理,并给了我一些护理品。


Conclusion
总结


They handled the problems extremely well and always provided me enough options. They refunded all extra costs I had to make because of this and to my surprise I did not need to pay for the extra 335 grafts, extremely kind. I can really recommend Dr. Hakan Doganay and his staff. Special thanks also to Muslum, he is really a relax kind guy who took care of me and had a real fun day with him in Antalya. I felt they all tried to put their maximum effort into obtaining the best possible result for me.
That was my story guys, I didn’t go over to much detail because the story would have gotten way too big for that. If you have any questions about anything, shoot ,them and I will respond to you. I’ll be also updating this topic with pictures. Hopefully my result will turn out to be to my expectations.

他们很好的解决了我的问题,而且总是能够给我提供许多选择,他们还退还了我因此给的额外的费用,令我惊讶的是,我甚至不需要支付多移植的335根头发的费用,他们实在是很好。现在我可以真正的推荐Hakan医生和他的团队。也特别感谢Muslum,他是个让人放松的家伙,在Antalya照顾我一整天,让我一天都过得很开心。我能感觉到他们都在尽最大的努力让我能获得尽可能的最好的结果。
朋友们,这就是我的故事,我没有详述太多细节,因为故事已经很长了。如果你有关于任何方面的任何问题,来问吧,我和他们都会回复你。我以后会更新这个话题,并附上照片,希望最终结果将会是我所期望的。



Graft breakdown  移植详情
Single: 835     区域一:835单位
Double: 1200  区域二:1200单位
Triple: 800    区域三:800单位
Total: 2835   总计:2835单位
Punch size: 0.7mm , 4mm length 打孔的大小:0.7mm , 4mm
Implantation: Choi pen 0.6 & 0.8mm 移植笔的大小:0.6 & 0.8mm



14 days (already shed quite some tiny hairs with scabs)
第14天,依然会有一些细小头发在脱落


17 days wet condition right temple;
第17天右侧额角刚洗完头的情况下



楼层中更新的近况


1.Well.. Ugly duckling phase has arrived . Shed most of hairs, recipient still a bit red. Donor recovering fine, some shockloss and also redness tho. Btw, some are taken with flash or bright light so might be a bit deceiving looks like I'm almost bald on the top on 1 lol. Anyway here they are;
好吧,丑小鸭的阶段已经到来:大部分的头发脱落,受体部分仍然有点红。供体部分恢复得很好,有一些由于物理刺激而导致的脱发和同样也是红的。顺便提一下,一些照片是在闪光灯或是强光灯拍摄的,所以看起来在我头顶部有点秃顶。其实这些部位是存在头发的。


Recipient 1 month post-up
植发区一个月的情况



Donor 1 month post –up
取发区一个月的情况




2.So I'm just at about 5 months now, decided to take some pictures. Left side seems to be going well. Right side is a bit lacking and behind as you can see on the picture. The first two pictures are pre-op just the day I had surgery (out of bed look lol). Other 3 are how my hair stands now.

所以,到目前为止才5个月,我决定拍一些照片。头部的左边看起来还好,右后面的头发有点稀疏(从照片可以看出)。前两张照片是手术前一天的照片。其他3张是我现在头发的状况。

Donor has healed awesome (shock loss was pretty big in the beginning)
供体部分已经痊愈了(刚开始主要是物理刺激导致大量的脱发)

I think it's going pretty well   and it's going to be interesting what the coming months will bring!
我认为目前一切都很好地进行着,期待接下来的几个月会带来什么效果。

I need to stay realistic too as I have extremely fine hair which makes things more difficult.
我需要保持清醒的是,极细的头发会导致情况变得更加困难。

At the 1 year mark I'll make really good pictures from all angles, and will probably shave down too then!)
在之后的一年里,从任何一个角度对我的头部进行拍摄,将都能看到头发是很好的,但也有可能在那时会看到头发大面积的脱落。

Oh btw my scalp is still a bit red for those who are wondering (Caucasian genes I guess )
顺便提及一下,我的头皮仍然有一点红。(我猜是由于白种人基因)




3. 7 months. At the 1 year mark I'll make some more detailed pictures also with harsh lightning etc.

7个月了。以1年为期限,我将会拍摄更多详细照片(同样带有闪光灯)。







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 楼主| 发表于 2015-8-30 16:58:59 | 显示全部楼层         论坛脱发植发交流QQ群:86809880
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1. Originally Posted by shookwun
it will be a great result.
Turkey is where I plan on getting my next FUE procedure - 1000-1500 grafts
引用shookwun的回复
期待你的好结果
我打算下次在土耳其做1000-1500单位的FUE植发。
Thanks man. Are you also considering Dr. Hakan Doganay?
老兄,多谢,你还是打算再Hakan Doganay医生那里做吗?

Originally Posted by Risugo  
Swoop, what was the total cost, FUE surgery and travel expenses.
引用Risug的回复
Swoop,包括FUE手术和交通费用,你一共花了多少钱?

Hey man I got a bit discount as you can read. But the price is only 2 euro (!) a graft including transportation, food, and stay. The only thing you need to buy are your flight tickets.
如你所见,我的植发费用获得了一些优惠,包括交通,饮食和住宿的费用,平均下来才2欧元一毛囊单位。你只需要买好机票就行了。

Originally Posted by Wolf Pack  
This is a nice read. I think you will have amazing hair at the front to complement the rest. How many grafts do you have left for the future? Did he give you any info on this?
引用Wolf Pack的回复
楼主写的不错,我觉得如果把额角补齐你的前额会有一个不错的效果。你为以后的植发预留了多少毛囊单位,你的医生给了你一些相关的信息吗?

Thanks Wolf Pack. I have about 1.5K grafts according to Dr. Hakan Doganay, but that could be more depending on how my donor heals. Unfortunately my mid and top donor is not really good enough because I already have quite fine hair and the hairs in that place are not really strong so wasn't a smart choice to use them. I am maintaining my hair really steadily though, so that's good.
发友,谢谢你的回复。如Hakan Doganay医生所说,我还有大概1500个毛囊单位可用,当然我毛囊恢复的好话,也许单位会更多一些。不幸的是,因为我后枕部的头发不够黑粗硬,所以还是不考虑用他们。如果把我种植的头发养护好的话,这也是不错的。



2.Originally Posted by shookwun
Swoop, i'm considering Dr. Hakan for my next procedure seeing as I already had a FUT, and would much prefer a FUE for smaller based procedures, and faster recovery time.

引用shookwun的回复
Swoop,我打算在Hakan医生那里去植第二次发,这次我打算植少一些单位,那样恢复起来也比较快。
How was your experience? i'm planning to have my temple points restored, and temple corners closed in to give a more youthful, and aesthetic appearance. (1000-1250)
你的植发经历怎么样?我打算进一步修复额角,这样会让我看起来更加年轻,更加阳光。

Very good, they take really good care of you. Obviously Dr. Hakan Doganay is very skilled also and is one of the best in europe, top 5 in FUE no doubt. Price quality wise superb.
很好啊,特别是他们服务很周到。Hakan医生植发技术在欧洲首屈一指,毫无疑问前五有他一席之地。选择Hakan医生绝对物有所值。



3. Originally Posted by DoctorHouse  
Swoop, what made you lose confidence in Dr Erdogan? And doesn't Dr Dogonay offer a non-shaven FUE too?
引用DoctorHouse的回复,
Swoop,是什么让你没有考虑选择Erdogan医生,难到Erdogan医生没有建议在不剪头发的前提下进行FUE植发手术?

Hey Doctorhouse, the communication was bad with Dr. Erdogan , and I think Dr. Doganay can achieve a bit more with less grafts. Yes he does offer non-shaven too however I felt that it was better to shave it all of.
发友,和Erdogan的交流并不那么好,而且我认为他的参考方案有点贵。虽然他可以在不剪头发的前提下植发,但我认为植发还是剃光头比较好。

Originally Posted by massa
Looks good already, but is it essential to shave down for HT surgery? What are the benefits of this, or if you're getting a HT for the front can you leave your hair at its normal length?
引用massa的回复,
看起来不错,但是植发一定要剪光头吗?这样做有什么好处,前额植发可以不剪头发吗?

Hey massa, it's not essential but I chose to shave it all off, didn't really care. Many go for a non-shave though. Yeah you could leave it at the normal length. The donor needs to be shaven though.
这位发友,其实是可以不剪的,但我还是这样做了,我并不在意光头与否。有一些人并没有剪,你也可以这样做,虽然你的医生会建议这样做。

Originally Posted by eenrak
Looks very promising. Congrats, I will be checking in for the results!
What compounds are you on? The usual big three?
引用eenrak的回复,
效果很让人期待,恭喜你,我会一直关注你植发的效果。
你用的什么药物?也是脱发必备的三种药物吗?(米诺,非那,还有什么?)

Hey eenrak, thanks! Actually I dropped RU and minoxidil in September so my hair was at it worst when I came in for this hair transplant. Had a huge shed obviously because of this. I restarted RU now so the quality of my native hair will probably strengthen again. I'll make damn sure I will be maintaining though obviously.
谢谢你的回复,我在九月停用了RU(非那?)和米诺,头发的情况又变得不容乐观了,所以我选择了植发。停药的情况下头发也开始复脱了,我又开始用药了,这样一来我的头发会有所改观,我现在要做的就是要维护好他们。



4.   Originally Posted by shookwun
redness will last a few months if not longer.
引用shookwun的回复
头皮上的红色将会持续几个月才会消失。

Yeah the donor is quite camouflaged so that doesn't matter. Got any tips how I can reduce that redness in the recipient? Hopefully it will subside even more though in the coming month.
毛囊不仔细看并不会注意到,所以也没太大关系。对于如何减少植发区的头皮发红,你有什么建议吗?希望下个月能大有好转。



5. Originally Posted by Ventures  
Swoop, do you plan to use fin or minox, since when your hair is buzzed and short, it looks that your NW6 pattern has started to miniaturize. So eventhough you are NW2 or 2.5, whole NW6 pattern slowly starts to miniaturize. YOu can clearly see difference in denisty between top of the head and sides.

I remember, one hair loss veteran once said when you first start to notice hair loss, you've already lost 40 - 50% of hair density. Most people start to recede, but in same time they start to diffusely loose hair in NW5 or NW6 area. It interesting thing.
引用Swoop的回复,
Swoop 你好,不知道你有没有计划使用米诺或是非那雄胺等药物治疗,因为当你的头发又短又少时,看起来好像达到了脱发6级的样子。即便你实质上处于脱发2级或是2.5级,6级的脱发表现也逐渐显现出来。你可以明显的看出来头顶与两边的头发密度对比。
我记得曾经有一个脱发的年轻人曾对我说过这样一句话:当你发觉你开始发觉你头发稀少时,你头发已经丧失了40%-50%的头发。这个时候绝大多数人开始退缩,与此同时,他们的头发逐渐想脱发5级或是6级方向发展。这是一个很有趣的现象。

Yeah as you see in my story, I came in to the hair transplant with the worst hair ever, having quit RU + minoxidil 3-4 months before my operation (big ass shed). I'm on RU now though again, so no problem. Can always add in finasteride too. So I should be set and safe for at least a few years. Also I have grafts left for an eventual procedure in the future.
你说的对,就像你看到的那样,我在我的头发处于最糟糕的时刻选择植发,在手术前三到四个月停掉了RU+和米诺的使用。现在我重新使用RU+了,一切正常没什么问题,非那雄胺也可以随时使用,所以,我在未来的几年应该十分稳定与安全,我计划在未来的几年内把最后的植发疗程做完。

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Originally Posted by shookwun
Aloe Vera (real authentic stuff)
Emu oil
grafts will start sprouting usually 12 weeks post OP
引用shookwun的回复,
可以使用芦荟汁与鸸苗鸟油(这个绝对真实)。一般在植发手术之后12个周头发开始生根。
Thanks man will try that.
多谢,会尝试下。



6. Originally Posted by pidda  
For a 25 year old with that degree of loss, 2800 grafts is a hell of a lot. Up to 1500 might be a safer bet. I don't think I should have used more than 1000 for my first transplant.
引用pidda的回复,
对于一个25岁,并且如此程度脱发的你来说,2800单位植发是不是显得有点多啊,1500单位的植发数量比较靠谱吧。我想我第一次植发,植发单位不会超过1000.

What shookwun said. You need many grafts for a good coverage, or it will look unnatural. I know I can easily maintain even if I have to throw in finasteride with my RU. Why don't you think you should go more than 1000 for your hair transplant? You are on DUT + RU dude. You are basically AGA free with that regimen for many many years. You shouldn't worry at all, I don't really understand your point.
就像Shookwun所说,`数量繁多的植发才能够到达更好的密度,要不然,看起来显得不自然。就算我不用米诺等药物,我也能良好的保持我的头发密度。为什么你觉的你植发的数量不会超过1000单位呢?兄弟,你现在处于DUT + RU期了,你已经是处于脱发军团很长时间了,你不应该这样担心,我真的不知道你在想什么兄弟。

Besides that as I get older I care less about my hair. I do think also that in 15 years a functional cure will arise. In the form of hair doubling perhaps or something else. So yeah #YOLO.(这一段期待发友翻译!)



7. Originally Posted by pidda  
I was originally planned for 1000 but I decided to push it further on my own behalf. I guess I was trying to blow myself away with the results without thinking about the future too much. Ya I am maintaining well but I just want people to be careful. Some patients go little by little with the surgeries which might not be practical in your case I suppose.
引用pidda的回复,
原先计划植发1000单位,但是为了我自己的利益,我决定提高植发单位。我把一直在没有为未来考虑太多的想法抹杀掉。就算我头发保持的很好,但是仍然希望大家要小心。一些病人认为通过一次又一次的小手术来植发,但是我认为这种案列并一定适合你自己。

Seems you got enough donor left too. You'll be very happy when all growth has set in!
看起来你还留有足够的毛囊,当你植发的效果出现的时候,你的内心一定是喜悦的。



8.   Originally Posted by pidda  
Probably! Just after talking with a seasoned hair transplant veteran of many years in person, I started to question myself even more. I guess it's not such a bad things seeing more hair in the front day after day. Getting over the worst phase of shockloss within the first month was the hard part really. Anyway, I wish you great success and luck in your transplant!
引用pidda的回复
是的,当我私下和一个季节性植发好多年的年轻人交谈后,我更加质疑我自己,我想每天看到自己的前额的头发逐渐多起来,并不是一件坏事吧。刚开始的那一个月是地狱般的生活啊,不管怎样,祝你植发好运,并获得成功。
You shouldn't question yourself. You'll be perfectly healed soon (you already are) with new hair growing in your hairline. And you are AGA free. What else do you wish for? Thanks bro, likewise!
你不应该质疑自己兄弟,你发际线新发的生长表示你快治好了,(你已经好的差不多了),你将不在是男性脱发人员了,你还幻想什么呢,另外多谢兄弟的关心。



9. Originally Posted by eenrak  
Hey swoop, any updates?
引用eenrak的回复,
嘿swoop,有什么新情况?
Hey man, not many times on the forums anymore sorry for the slow response. Nothing new really. My donor healed perfectly though, which is very good obviously. Furthermore the recipient is still a bit red but it's a waiting game now! I'll shoot some new pics soon and post them.
嗨,现在不经常上论坛了,抱歉回复得慢。没什么新进展。不过我的捐赠者恢复得非常好,这当然是很好的。此外接受者还有点红,不过现在就是要等待了!我最近会拍一些新的照片发出来。



10. Thanks guys appreciate it. Yeah I'm quite happy with how things are going. Wolf pack like you mention it has a quite natural look to me too, I think that is also a advantage of having thin hair. It tends to look natural fast. The most important thing to me was that it was going to look natural actually.

Wolf Pack I'll make a new picture soon and show you the distance between hairline and eyebrows. Cheers.
谢谢你们,非常感谢。对啊,现在事情的进展让我很开心。像你们说过的一样,我用wolf pack会看起来非常自然,大概头发少也就这点好处了。很快就看起来很自然了。实际上看起来自然就是对我来说最重要的。
关于wolf pack我会很快拍新的照片,给你们看看发际线和眉毛之间的距离。加油。



11. Originally Posted by Ziggyz123  
Hey swoop, was there a big reason for deciding on hakan over erdogan?
引用Ziggyz123的回复,
嘿swoop,决定用hakan而不用erdogan有什么特别的原因吗?

Not a big reason just subtle differences, it was almost a toss up for me. Both are top notch in my opinion. Eventually I went with my gut instinct apart from the things I mentioned here in my first post.
没什么特别的原因,两者差别很小,我简直就是掷硬币决定的。我觉得两个都算是最好的。最后我没有按我第一个帖子说到的去选择,只是凭直觉决定的。



12.Originally Posted by massa  
Looks good like that swoop when its styled, but be honest how does it look in public when its under siege from wind and rain? Is there enough density to go out in public without product like concealers or hairspray and do you have enough density for people to not think you have thinning hair??
If so im a I big fan of Hakans work and he' probably where I would go to have mine done if these treatments fail me!
引用massa的回复,
刚刚造型出来的时候看起来蛮好的,不过说实话,出门的时候呢,比如风雨侵袭的时候?出门的时候如果不用遮瑕或者头发喷雾的话,密度够不够大,能不能让人们不觉得你在逐渐秃顶?
如果可以实现的话,我会是hakans的忠实粉丝。如果这些治疗都对我无效的话,我会去他那里买一个!

Thanks. I would never use concealer, don't use hairspray too only some wax! It looks worse when not styled and under the siege from wind and rain, yes. I can't expect to get NW0 full hair like Brad Pitt though obviously, gotta stay realistic. That said I don't look like a balding guy anymore. My bald shiny temples are pretty much gone and hairline is restored.
谢谢。我从来没用过遮瑕,也不用发雾,只用一点发蜡!确实,如果没有好好造型,又遇到风雨的话,会看起来很糟糕。我不指望能有布拉德皮特那样茂密的头发,人要现实一点。虽然这么说,但我看起来再也不像一个秃子了。我的闪亮秃顶基本上小时了,发际线也保留下来了。



13.   Originally Posted by teeth_of_lions  
Very impressive... we have very similar hair so I'm getting more hopeful! Are you generally happy with the density? Also are you expecting to recede any much further looking at your family history? Enjoy your new hair!
引用teeth_of_lions 的回复,
真是让人印象深刻...我们的头发相似,因此我对我的头发充满着希望。你满意你这个头发的密度吗?根据你的家庭史,你的发际线是否将继续后退?好好享受你的新头发吧!

Yeah I am quite happy how things are going it looks natural. Plus I'm going to see more improvement in the coming months. One temple is a bit lagging in growth as opposed to the other, but that is a common thing. Should even out soon.
I would recede further if I wouldn't use treatments yeah. I can easily maintain though on treatments  .
是的,我很高兴事情进展的这么顺利。在未来的几个月里我期待看到更多的改善。然而相对于其他头发来说在一边的头发在生长速度上有一点点慢,但那是正常的事。应该很快就能恢复。
如果我不进行治疗,我的发际线将继续后退,但我可以通过治疗轻易的维持发际线。



14.   Originally Posted by teeth_of_lions  
Great, I am looking forward to see the 1-year mark; I think it will be a fanastic result. Going from NW3 to NW1 (I think?) should be an amazing feeling.

How did you erience the travelling to Turkey, was it a 'comfortable' thing to do? I hear mixed stories about this.
xp引用teeth of lions de 回复,
非常好,我期待看到一年以后的标记;我认为将是一个非常好的结果。从脱发三级到脱发一级(我认为)应该是一个非常棒的感觉。
你感觉去土耳其的这趟行程怎么样?舒服吗?我听过很多关于这个的经历。
Yeah it does feel good honestly to get rid of those bald ass temples  . The journey was very comfortable. I was very at ease the whole trip actually. The way back was a bit worse though because of some donor pain.
是的,摆脱那些光秃秃的头顶的感觉特别的好。这趟旅行非常的舒适。事实上整个旅程我都很放松。回来的方式有一点糟糕因为一些供体的疼痛。



15.Originally Posted by shookwun  
damn bro... u gunno have a wicked result. My five months looked like absolute crap.
t's gunnno be a big change the next 7 months
引用shookwun的回复,
该死的,兄弟。你居然有一个不可思议的效果。我五个月时的效果看起来就是一堆垃圾。
但是接下来的七个月有了一个很大的变化。

Thanks man I'm already happy, but it's still improving.
谢谢朋友,我已经很开心了,但是头发仍然需要改善。


Originally Posted by Vincent777  
Swoop your hair looks great! I visited Erdogan last month and he didin't want to operate me becase he said propecia would solve my problem since I have thinning all over the head. He told me to come in a year to see how my MPB is progressing so it is quite frustrating. He said he couldn't transplant more hair on my fron central area where I part my hair because it is too dense and would result in shock loss but the hair has minituriazed and it looks thin and you can see my scalp. I was soooo frustrated!

I am excited too see that Doganay did operate you in the frontal area where you still have hair. Did you had any shock loss?
引用Vincent的回复,
你的头发看起来很好!我上个月拜访了埃尔多安医生,他并不愿意为我做手术因为他说非那雄胺将解决我的问题因为我的整个头皮变薄了。他告诉我一年以后再过来看看我的MPB进展怎么样,因此这是多么让人沮丧。他说他不能在我分离头发的额头中间区域移植太多的头发因为那里太薄了,可能导致冲击性的损失。但是头发已经小型化并且看起来很薄,你可以看到我的头皮。我真的非常的沮丧。
看到多Doganay医生在你的还有头发的额头区域做手术我很兴奋,你有经历任何冲击的损失吗?

In my opinion diffusely balding people ain't the best for a hair transplant too. It may lead to permanent destruction of native hair follicles which kinda gives you a bad net of new hair if that makes sense. I can understand that you are frustrated though.
在我看来扩散性秃顶的人也并不是最适合做头发移植手术。这可能会导致永久性的破坏本地的毛囊,如果那讲的通的话这些毛囊将给你的新头发带来纯粹的伤害。

I did have a little bit shock loss there to answer your question, but it all came back after a while. My donor had the most shock loss.
我有一点的冲击性损失。但是一顿时间后就都回来了。我的供体出现了严重的冲击损失。



16.Originally Posted by Wolf Pack  
Swoop how does your left hairline area look? Would you say you have a symmetrical hairline? I heard surgeons like to make it look a bit uneven so it's more natural?

Looking good anyway, with more to come  
引用Wolf Pack的回复,
你左边的发际线区域看起来怎么样?你觉得你的发际线对称吗?我听说外科医生偏向于让它不对称,这样看起来更自然。
不管怎样,看起来效果挺不错,希望能长的更浓密。

It's not totally symmetrical. There are definitely irregularities albeit small in hair placement. With my next update I'll try to give a better view so you can be your own judge  .
它们并不是完全对称的。在头发移植的区域确实有一点不规则,尽管很小。在我下一阶段的更新我将尽量给你们一个更好的视角以便于你们自己进行判断。

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这老外 连续两天做手术  在第一次取发后 伤口没愈合的情况下 第二次再取  是否更加刺激伤口 不好愈合

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莫非老外那么搞 是为了减少毛囊在体外的时间 宁可伤口愈合的慢一点?

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莫非老外那么搞 是为了减少毛囊在体外的时间 宁可伤口愈合的慢一点?

你观察的很细致,国内好像没有两天分开做的。

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你观察的很细致,国内好像没有两天分开做的。

要么就是国内 虚做毛囊数量了  。。或者就是国内水平高 速度快 人家做1500单位的时间 国内可以做三千

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多分俩楼层,这样看真的好累

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也不知道现在到土耳其植发多少钱, 看效果是真好啊!

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也不知道现在到土耳其植发多少钱, 看效果是真好啊!

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