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发表于 2015-9-14 10:12:28 | 只看该作者 |只看大图 |倒序浏览         交流QQ群:86809880
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主题:first FUE, you can only hope you made the right choice in time
           第一次植发,你只能期待在对的时间做了对的事情



well its done.
我做完手术了。

7K
7000.
What started a bit over 1000 grafts quickly multiplied.
这让超过1000个移植的毛囊开始快速地复制生长。

Its a funny thing listening to all these surgeons talk about grafts and hair counts. Some say a hair is a graft other say a full follicle is a graft even if it has 3 hairs, but then some will still slice that up into 3 separate hairs. I got all sorts of funny explanations.
听那些手术医生聊到移植啊发量之类还挺好笑的。有的说一根头发算是一单位移植,有的说一个毛囊算是一单位移植,哪怕里面有3根头发,不过之后有些医生还是会把毛囊分解成3根分开的头发。所有好笑的解释我都听过了。

To me this is such a weird medical field where the rules are only subject by the surgeons imagination.
对我来说,这就是一个奇怪的医学领域,这里的规则都是按照医生的想象来制定的。

As some may have read my write ups on the consults I finally did it.
有些人可能读过我之前写的关于植发咨询的文章,我最后还是去植发了。

I went on about half a dozen consults and kept going back to these guys
http://www.nehair.com/
我大概做过半打咨询,最后我一直回去找这些专家:http://www.nehair.com/

Im glad I did BUT STILL the night before was torture.
做了手术挺开心的,不过手术前一天晚上还是很煎熬。

Am I making the right decision?
Will I be happy?
Am I spending the money right?
Will this even help?
Will I end up WORSE off?
我做了正确决定吗?我会不会开心?这钱花得值不值?到底有没有用?会不会最后结果更糟糕?

I mean we were even expecting a blizzard up here the day after my procedure (I dont like calling it surgery, getting a heart changed is surgery, this is a "procedure", no more than getting teeth veneers but on your head). Is that a sign?
I woke up at 4am, not that nerves actually let me sleep, to get ready and drive to MA for this by 7am. My GF opted to stay behind since she is terrified of driving in the snow and getting caught in a blizzard on the way home the next day. I dont blame her she would have just stressed me driving, her words.
我的意思是说,做完这个过程之后那天这边甚至马上要来一场暴风雪了。(我不喜欢把它叫做手术。换心脏可以叫做手术,这个应该叫做“过程”,并不比牙齿矫正更严重,只不过是在头上做而已)这算是一个预示吗?
我早上4点就醒了(后面一句没懂),做好准备然后7点开车去MA那里。我女朋友选择了呆在家里,因为她特别害怕在雪里开车然后被暴风雪困住,第二天早上才能回家。我不怪她,我开车的时候她说的话还会让我更紧张。

I drove all the way there and still had doubts, still sat there holding the pen for signatures like I was signing away my kidney from a lost bet. I sat there for 45 minutes talking with Tan and texting my GF. There was this hesitation but also the knowledge I would always be pissed I didnt TRY to do something (FIN was awful for me, check out the sides forum for something Im going to post there I think I have recently figured out). I signed, got changed and was off.
我开了一路,到了那里仍然有疑惑,坐在那里拿着笔迟迟没签字,就好像我是打赌输了要签字取肾似的。我在那里坐了45分钟,跟Tan说话,给女朋友发短信。我很犹豫,但也知道如果我没有试着做点什么的话我一定会非常沮丧(FIN对我来说非常糟糕,可以去论坛看看我马上要发的帖子,我觉得我最近想明白了)我签了字,做出了改变,然后结束了。

It started with Dr Tan and the medical assistant shaving my donor area conservatively so my overgrown hair would flap over the shaved spot hiding it.
He made two thinner lines across the back of my head. One above the other.
sorry image is to big to embed.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-b3syIURhgb...212_102716.jpg
开始的时候,Tan医生和医学助手把我要提供毛囊的部分剃掉了一点,这样我长长的头发可以盖住剃掉的部分。他在我后枕处剃出两条细细的线,一条在上一条在下。抱歉图太大了传不上来。
this pic shows one of the two lines while the flap cover the other one.
这个图能看到其中一条线,另外一条被头发挡住了。
after the removal they had me roll over and started insertion of the hairs in my temples.
剃掉之后他们让我转过来,开始把头发移植到我的头顶部。
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SameG5MLnX...212_152004.jpg

At this point it was mostly Dr Tan and his tech, who was very good herself. Then Doctor Welter comes walking in to assist (he periodically popped in between previous steps) and says "you know i like the way your flaps cover but if you let me block out the area (meaning shave a big block) I can get a TON more donor hairs for you"
到这个时候几乎都是Tan医生和他的助手在弄,助手也非常好。然后Welter医生进来协助(他有时候会在一些步骤之间进来帮忙),说道:“你知道我挺喜欢你的头发把剃掉的部分盖住了,不过你能让我封锁这个区域(意思是说剃得更多)的话,我能得到特别多用于移植的毛囊。”
In the moment I said "HELL SURE lets do it......" Granted this is WHILE Tan is injecting the grafts in my forehead, so in for a penny in for a pound i guess. They said my donor area was great for FUE (all of my consults were really). I have uber thick hair.
那个时候我说“行吧,你剃吧……”这时候Tan正在我的前额植入头发,所以我猜大概一不做二不休吧。他们说我提供毛囊的头皮部分非常适合做植发(我所有的咨询师都这么说)。我的头发特别多。
I now ended up with this lol
现在我的情况就是这样的,哈哈哈。





Me and my GF (who went with me on the final consult) laugh our asses off because for some reason we found Dr Tan, who did my 2 personal consults, very convincing. I mean he does a GOOD consult, we joked at the thought of him at home during our phone conversations with a smoking pipe and jacket running his hands through his own naturally lush hair (and welter has a head of hair like a 12 year old, just insane thick).
我和我的女朋友(最后一次咨询是她陪我去的)对我们愚蠢的离开感到好笑,因为由于某些原因,我们发现,已经为我私人咨询过两次的Tan博士,非常令人信服。我的意思是,他给我做的咨询非常棒。一想到他在家穿着夹克吸着烟斗和我们通话,并用自己的手指很自然地来回穿过自己茂密的头发,我们就会那这件事情开玩笑(并且他满头杂乱的头发像一个十二岁孩子的,只是特别的浓密)。

Hes super informative, honest, oddly charming and extremely laxed. Well Welter is the same way so OF COURSE getting more donor seemed awesome coming from him. HA HA I dont regret it but I may be calling out of work a day or two next week to let this grow in a bit to have my hair dresser fade it out, make a design in it or SOMETHING.
他是一个见识广博的,诚实的,迷人的和极为放松的。把头发弄得非常杂乱也是同样地方式,当然这使头发会掉的更多对他也是非常的可怕。哈哈,我不后悔,但是我可能会请一天假,或者两周不去工作来让头发长长一点,使梳妆台淡出视野。

I mellowed out quite a bit throughout but let me tell you novocain does **** for me. If you are planning to do this and have a resilience to novacaine like myslef PLEASE start dermarolling first, and rolling HARD. This will give you an idea of what this feels like. Now dont get me wrong this is MY FAULT, not theirs. I know novocain does nothing for me and they advised they could only put so much by law in you so I kept my trap shut, grinned and beared it. Honestly Im a bit of a sadist so che sera.
在整个过程中我相当的放松,但是奴佛卡因(局部麻醉剂)不适合我。如果你们也打算这么做,并且和我一样局部麻醉效果不是很好,会是很疼的。手术会告诉你那是一种怎样的疼痛。这不是我的错也不是他们的错。我知道奴佛卡因(局部麻醉剂)对我不起任何作用,他们只能对我用法律允许的麻醉剂量,因此我咬牙坚持着。老实说,我有点像被施虐狂折磨。

Anyway as they removed the rest of the hairs in the back they kept bringing them in stocked for insertion .They use a micrografting syringe style inserter and TINY coring device for removal for a basically zero scar effect. Time will tell of course but really it leaves marks no wider than rolling and you dont get scars from that right? This isnt the exact one but pretty much. They are one of the few who use them over just cutting you with a itty bitty blade and dropping the graft in with tweezers.




无论如何,为了之后的种植,他们把头部后面剩余的头发移走并储存好。他们用一个小嫁接注射器和小的取心装置取发,基本是无痕的。当然时间会告诉你会不会有疤痕。他们是为数不多的用很小孔径的刀打孔并且用镊子进行移植。
We stopped for lunch, they were nice enough to treat but its pretty hard to enjoy a nice fat roast beef with blood and scabs all over your head lol.
我们停下来吃午饭,他们非常好,午饭是不错的脂肪烤牛肉,但是我很难在满头都是血和血痂的情况下享受这顿午餐。

We went back in and they were back to work. I will say it was the two doctors and one tech inserting these guys, THREE at once. They were really getting in there and saying they wanted density. They filled in my temples, the bridging I had from front to back and even into still populated areas so there will be hair there when even the old stuff starts thinning more. They were being proactive and I really liked that.
我们回到手术室,医生们继续给我手术。有两个医生在我旁边,其中一个进行头发种植,一次种三根 他们真的在那里,并说着他们想要达到的密度。他们种植在头上光秃的地方、头顶从前到后秃的桥状的地方并且也给我有头发的地方进行加密,因为这些地方的头发将来可能会变得越来越稀。医生的积极主动,让我很是喜欢。
We were in there until 7:30 pm by the time they ran out of grafts, we started removing around 8:30 am, inserting was about 9:15-9:30. This was a long day and by the end of it my head was so raw on top even wind hitting it hurt but I kept telling them to keep going. Novocain was lasting me NO time at all by this point. As soon as they injected it if it lasted 10-15 minutes it was a lot. They were doing a technique called nerve blocking with it that helped a lot but really my body just rejects it way to fast. Even getting my wisdom teeth out in highschool they couldnt keep me under because the IV and gas couldnt keep me out.
直到下午七点半整个植发过程才结束,我们开始取发大约是早上八点半,植入大约是9:15-9:30。这是非常漫长的一天,手术结束后,我的头顶是非常生硬的,甚至风都会打疼它,但我一直告诉他们继续前行。麻醉剂对我没有一点持续的作用。从注射开始算起最多麻醉也就持续10到15分钟。麻药通过一种阻断神经的技术来帮助减小疼痛但是麻药对于我的身体药效减弱的很快。高中时,麻药甚至是不能保证在我拔智齿的过程中持续作用,因为the IV and gas在起作用。

I kept a small plastic tropicana bottle in my hand and was crushing it like a stress ball at the end due to the pain. Again I can NOT stress this, NOT THEIR FAULT. I probably had enough sedative in me to drop a horses legs. Dermarolling REALLY built me tolerance to head pain.
痛的时候,我用力捏塑料瓶子。要不是头发问题我还有必要经受这些摧残么。我觉得在面前砍一只马腿,我都心不惊肉不跳了。在头皮用微针来回扎,痛得要命,我算是练出来了。

On a side note I mentioned the rolling to Dr Welter and he was super intrigued by it. He uses them for PRP procedures and really thought the theory behind doing it is very sound. He said he would reccomend it to people as a test if there werent so many possible chances for infections. He could not say enough be sure you disinfect everything because your head carries a LOT of bacteria even mrsa.

有一回,我把在头皮用微针来回扎的事告诉Welter博士,他觉得有意思。他用这种方法来得到高浓度血小板血浆(抗衰老用的),而且理论上也行得通。这种方法要是不会导致感染的话,他会推荐别人用的。但他不确定我有没有感染,因为我头上有很多细菌。

well in the end they went through their work with tiny forceps and checked everything, bandaged me up, gave me a goody bag, some info and sent me to my hotel. I say hotel because I HAD to stay the night. They have you come back the next day to go over all the grafts and see if any need fixing, which a few of mine did. They even gave me a small bottle of solution in case any fell out, to bring back to them the next morning to re insert. The morning of one did actually pop out and I placed it in the bottle and Dr Tan tweezed it right back in.
他们还是按照他们方法做事。他们拿一个小镊子给我做了检查,用绷带给我头包好,给我一个很好的背包,给我讲了一些我的状况,最后把我送回宾馆。我回宾馆过了一夜。第二天,我还得回去检查植发效果,确保是不是要修整,我的确实有做了小修整。他们甚至给我一个装有溶液的瓶子,如果被植的头发掉的话,装进瓶子,第二天早上带过来。第二天早上,确实有一组掉了,我装进瓶子,Tan博士用镊子拿出来重新植到我的头上。


These two guys take a LOT of pride in their work, I can't stress this. Welter had a personal story behind starting it, not super crazy or tear jerking but he wanted to get into the business to help make it easier, better and more cost effective for the patient/consumer. They worried way more about making this first job perfect than charging me for every little graft. They made sure your expectations were realistic but still tried to go above and beyond. Im not trying to sell their service. But every time I come to a forum people say the same 6 names and are to afraid to step out of that comfort zone. Well I met with a few of those big names and honestly did not like them, I stepped out of the comfort zone and feel better right now for it.
我不能不说的是,这两个家伙对他们的工作感到很骄傲。Welter在从事这个行业后的想法是,不要什么惊天动地创举,让病人觉得到治疗的过程简单、效果好、划算。他们更关注的是有没有将我的头发植好,并不太在乎从我身上赚多少钱。他们让你的期望得以实现,但依旧努力做得更好。我不是在给他们做广告。我每次看一个论坛时,大家讨论的还是那6个人,但不敢面对这些植发医生。我也听过这其中几个人的大名,说实话我也觉得很难面对。不过,我现在已经勇敢面对了,目前感觉还不错。

Who knows maybe in 6 months Ill be throwing spaghetti at a wall mother f'ing them up and down, I highly doubt it but as stated in the beginning only time will tell. I say though if you are in the area and looking for this option give them a shot, they have NO shortage on business but I would like to see them get a shot next to names like Cohen in CT.
问题在于大家还是不相信这些医生。我刚开始的时候也怀疑他们(植发医生),但只有时间能证明。我认为既然你在这方面有问题,就应该找机会见见他们(植发的医生),虽然他们是很忙的,但是我觉得见他们非常有必要。

We even talked about piliofocus. He met that guy at the conference and said he knows him (dont know how well) and could honestly not say ENOUGH GOOD things about him. He said the guy is a genius in the field and would love to see the tech progress. I hope Im not saying to much to get anyone in trouble with anything but I just like to give a lot of details so people can see the genuineness I pretty much felt dealing with this facility and ALL its staff.
我跟医生闲聊过植发界大牛,Piliofocus。他说在开会的时候见过这个牛人,还跟这个牛人说认识他(不知道他怎么知道Piliofocus),还聊了英语不好之类烂话题。他说Piliofocus是个天才,这个家伙还喜欢一些高科技的东西。我希望我所说的话没得罪别人,我就是想让大家对天才了解得更细一点,我真的喜欢了解这些细节问题。

They said stay low stress to keep your blood pressure from popping the little guys out but try to drive home in a blizzard (check the snow the northeast got today) and see how your blood pressure holds up.
回归正题,说说我头发状况的事。医生说保持放松的状态可以是让你的血压稳定,这样被植的头发就不会“挤掉”。他们在暴风雪的时候开车到我家(今天东北区域下雪),看我的血压是不是升起来了。

Wish my healing luck. I shed a tear earlier because I did lose one graft a couple hours ago which they said WILL happen but as long as I take it easy for the next few days I should be fine and if there are any issues call them and they will make it right. I honestly believe them and personally I will say that is a big compliment because I dont really "like" or trust anybody lol.
真希望功夫不负有心人,能治好。我早些时候都心痛得流泪了,因为我一组被植的头发几个小时之后掉了。他们说没事,让我放松点,过几天就会好的。如果还有问题的话,给他们打电话,他们会处理好的。我说相信他们,这是给他们拍马屁,因为我不相信任何人,哈哈。

Heres some after pics. Its hard to see through the areas that actually have some hair left but they went all in.
这里有一些术后的照片。由于原有头发的遮挡,想看到整个植发的区域还是有点困难的,但是我都拍进去了。





Im going to post this on my ****ty angry blog to as well in case any information gets removed by mods, which I hope it doesn't. Thats the reason I left bald truth, which NO surgeon I spoke with said anything highly about.... NONE.
我正打算将这些传到我的博客上面,为了避免被别人删除,我很不希望这样的情况发生。我留下这些照片以及文章的原因是因为与我谈过的每一个外科医生都没有很高的评价我的头发,一个都没有。
I will also update as time goes by but Im sure Im not leaving the forum and will continue to dermaroll my crown as if there are positive results with that they really wanted me to let them know.
我也将持续更新,我确信我不会离开这个论坛, 我也会积极更新我头顶的情况就好像他们真的很想让我告诉他们一些好的结果。           
Thanks everyone.
谢谢每一个人

Again as I started though
我又开始思考,
Am I making the right decision?
Will I be happy?
Am I spending the money right?
Will this even help?
Will I end up WORSE off?
我是否做了正确的决定?我会快乐吗?我花的钱值得吗?我会摆脱我糟糕的困境吗?

as good as my experience was... you just will never know, life is always that way though......
根据我的经验,你永远不会知道,生活总是这样。

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 楼主| 发表于 2015-9-14 10:17:27 | 只看该作者         论坛脱发植发交流QQ群:86809880
Well from Feb 13th 2014 to today (June 2nd here is some updated progress pics)
从2014年2月13日到今天(这是6月2日更新的一些照片)

You can see some of the new hairs. These things literally sprouted overnight. This is just the temples because you cant see anything in the center due to existing hairs but theyre there.
你可以看到一些新的头发。我真的感觉他们是一夜之间长出来的,这仅仅是太阳穴附近的头发,由于原有头发的遮挡你看不到头顶中心的新发。

You can see the super thick pubie looking ones that snuck up on me and even the (hopefully) beginning of the VERY fine ones between ready to bulk up.
你可以看到那片超级薄看起来像悄悄在我头皮上生长,甚至原本很好的头发也开始变密了。

Im keeping in touch with the doc and fingers crossed that it just keeps coming.
If this works Im already looking at filling in the crown in another year or so when this is paid and my finances are better (technically it is paid but Im cheap as ****e)
我一直和医生保持联系,并且祈求新的头发能够不断生长。如果真的有效,我早就期待在某一年将我头顶的区域全部进行治疗,或者当某一天我的经济状况变得更好的时候。

update :6/23/14
Okay, just adding to this post so I dont bump my thread.
更新日期:2014年6月23日
好了,只增加在这个帖子上,这样我就可以不顶我自己的帖子了。
Noticed my bridging from my front to my crown has been getting smaller, whether this is the FUE coming in, the topical FIN or both I dont know but I like it!
可以注意到连接前额与头顶的桥梁正变得越来越小,不管这是否是植发手术带来的效果,是局部的效果还是综合的效果我不知道,但我很喜欢。

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 楼主| 发表于 2015-9-14 10:19:10 | 只看该作者         论坛脱发植发交流QQ群:86809880
因为国外论坛楼层很多,而且话也很多,没办法全部搬过来,我们尽量保证作者的完整性,大家有感兴趣又不懂的,可以找我们翻译小组。

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 楼主| 发表于 2015-9-14 10:20:18 | 只看该作者         论坛脱发植发交流QQ群:86809880
本帖最后由 好头发翻译小组 于 2015-9-14 10:22 编辑

Yeah I am still using my minox and niz. I know I'll need another in years to come. Hopefully something new is out. Either way I guess I'll be shaving. It was over 1000. It was supposed to be about 1000 with the conservative strips but they said they were able to get more by squairing it out.
100O grafts at 7$ a pop is normal here in the states, cheap by some who still do 10-12$ but that was their minimum to stay fair I presume. They made a point to say they more charge for the surgery first time and try to get everything they can and go as long as they can no number on how high (I'm sure within reason) the graft count can get. They have told me there were cases they've stayed until 10 at night to make good. I found this a very fair reasoning behind the charge since the price was competitive, their utensils were far superior to other I saw even the big names and since many grafts can actually pop or die without knowing further down the line and you are still paying for them.
对的,我还在使用米诺和Niz洗发香波。我知道过几年我会需要别的。希望新头发能长出吧。另一个方法我猜我得剃光。超过1000单位了。脱落的保守估计应该是大约1000吧,但他们说他们可以新长出更多的。
1000单位的话,在这些洲7美刀一个单位,对于那些做10到12美刀的人是便宜的,但为了公平这是他们的最低价了我觉得。他们的重点是强调他们想第一次做手术收费更多,尽量得到他们能得到的最多(我是有理由的),不管毛囊他们能取多少,他们告诉过我他们会一直等到10点来做好。我觉得在这个收费后有较好的理由因为价格很有竞争力,他们的设备工具比别的有名的都先进的多,因为许多的毛囊真正会冒出或者死亡,你还不知此事,还在为此付账单呢。

You will never know if its the right choice if hair loss bother you, some don't care
有些人不在乎,如果脱发困扰着你,你也永远不知道这是不是正确选择。
But if you do you may still be unhappy and if you don't you always wonder what if until it eats your soul. Just depends on what bother you more.但如果你还是不开心,如果,难道你不经常琢磨它在吞噬你的灵魂啊,只是取决于是不是困扰的你更多。
10 days ago?
十天前吗?

I remember a post from months back where you also said you canceled on a doc? Are these legit or do you just keep canceling appointments. Also my thinning is bad, my hair is just so long now and thick it hides it
Also your not n6. I've seen your pics and you look no worse than me but again as I have stated you always look like the worst ever cases to yourself.
我记得几月前你的一个回复说你取消了跟医生的会面?这样做合理吗,或者你就一直取消这些约会吗?我的头发的稀薄也很糟,我的头发就是挺长,我就弄的厚点掩盖住。
你也不是六级脱发,我见过你的图片,你看起来不比我的差,但再说,我说过对于你自己来说,你看起来就是最糟的了。

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 楼主| 发表于 2015-9-14 10:22:47 | 只看该作者         论坛脱发植发交流QQ群:86809880
Hey guys
嗨,兄弟们

to anyone else who may have had an FUE done have you experienced shock or shed within the healing time of the first week or so?
对于那些别的已经做完FUe的,你们在头一周的恢复时间经历过冲击或者脱落吗?

There is a small area on the left temple near where the existing hair is where I see the scabs but can not see nor lightly feel the hairs any longer.
I do not believe the follicles popped out as I have been monitoring that super close and have had about 3 or 4 full on follicles pop out which I hear is normal if they just dont take.在左额角的地方有个小地方,可以看见头皮,以前能看见头发但现在看不到也感觉不到一点头发了。
我你相信是有毛囊蹦出来了,因为我监测过很接近,我听说如果他们不取,毛囊地方会有3到4全的会蹦出。

Im basically wondering if the new hairs can be shocked out in the first week or 2 and then still grow back.
基本上我在想新的头发会不会在头一两周冲出来然后又长回去了、
The doctor said yes this is possible and its also normal to lose some hairs but I am still paranoid of course.
医生说这是可能的,而且掉一些头发也是正常的,但我当然还是多疑,

thanks
谢谢

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 楼主| 发表于 2015-9-14 10:26:02 | 只看该作者         论坛脱发植发交流QQ群:86809880
Well Fred you should be glad just like Finn backfiring so did this. I am the one in a million people with sides to an fue.
Fred你应该跟Finn长回来了一些的高兴,我是百万个支持fue人里的之一。

My temples are covered in horrible folliculitus. My immune system is going nuts trying to push the hairs out.
我的鬓角位置长了很严重毛囊炎,我的免疫系统把头发给挤出来了。

The doc said the grafts and follicles are still there and should heal and grow fine but who can tell. He said he would fix up anything that gets messed up, which I do believe but you only have so much donor and then what's to say the next fue won't do the same.
医生说那些毛囊还在那里还会痊愈还会长处头发,但是谁知道呢。他说他会弄好任何一团糟的事,但你得有好的取发区,还得说的是fue不能同样这样做。

The areas they filled that still have existing hair are fine but the temples that have been bald a while are covered in white heads, scabs and pain.
I've read online and this does happen but it's SUPER rare so lucky me like usual. My donor healed better than anyone he's seen but the spot that matters is wrecked. This isn't surgeon error just my awful luck.那些仍有头发覆盖的区域还好,但是鬓角那边秃了的没有覆盖的只会露着白色的头皮和疼痛。我在网上看过这个确实发生过,你概率很小,那祝我好运吧,我取发区恢复更好了,别别人多强,他那块区域的都坏了,这不是治疗失误,是我的坏运气啊。

Just wish me luck and hope this money didn't go down the toilet. I'll keep this thread updates.

我好运吧,希望你这钱别付诸东流,我会一直更新此贴的。

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 楼主| 发表于 2015-9-14 10:27:00 | 只看该作者         论坛脱发植发交流QQ群:86809880
I have just been in contact with the doc who is in Greece at a convention right now.
我曾和一个现在在希腊开会的医生一直保持联系。

My area is STILL REALLY red. It looks like it may scare a bit. It was def more than 1000. 1000 was the starting estimate. Even they keep saying they have never seen anyone heal this way. My donor site healed super insanely fast but the recipient site is still red irritated and completely shed (only 1 month in though). I have a whacky immune system.
我的区域仍然很红,看起来也有些吓人。那肯定超过1000单位了,1000只是个开始的估计,即使他们说过他们没看过有些这么治疗。我的取发区恢复的特别快,但是植发区一直红的很烦人,然后完全脱落没(只用了一个月),我有个奇怪的免疫系统啊。

Im worried its scarring but I have also seen "some" pics online of people a couple months in with this kind of redness to. Weirdalso the scabbing is some really big pimples/ingrowns that had to be popped literally that day right before the pic. there really isnt any more infection/folliculitis left.
我担心这块疤,但我几个月前看过一些图片,也是头皮发红的图片。还有那些血伽是真的很大啊而且往内长,所以你得好好取出来,再看几天后的图片,就看不到多少感染和毛囊炎了。

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 楼主| 发表于 2015-9-14 10:27:38 | 只看该作者         论坛脱发植发交流QQ群:86809880
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So I went for my technically 3rd haircut since the FUE. Just trying to get my hair reshaped back to something manageable and noticed my donor area is pretty thin. Anyone tell me how long this lasts?
做了FUE后我去很技术的理了第三次发,只是尽力的让我的头发可以重新塑形到可以梳理,然后注意到我的取发区很稀薄啊。谁能告诉我这会持续多久啊?

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 楼主| 发表于 2015-9-14 10:28:04 | 只看该作者         论坛脱发植发交流QQ群:86809880
hey your way better off than the guy to your right lol.

Im getting more and more nervous by the day. I know its only going on 2 months but I have seen nothing in regrowth. Ive have a few, what seem to be ingrowns but then they pop and nothings there.

Im dealing with folliculitis in the donor area from what I beleive is shocked out hair coming back. I should tell the HT doc but I know hell just have me drive ALL the way up there to prescribe me anti biotics AGAIN (which I hate taking back to back).

This has been a very frustrating experience. I see pics of guys at 2 months online who are already seeing regrowth and my recipient areas are still even a bit red.

WTF!

Trust me Fred, yours will come out great, want to know how I know this? CAUSE YOURE NOT ME!

我一天比一天担心紧张,我知道脱落会持续两个月但是我没有看到重新长出来的,我有一些看起来新长出来的,然后掉了,那里就啥也没有了。
我在跟取发区的毛囊炎斗争啊,我相信这是出来的头发又缩回去了,我应该告诉植发医生,但我知道他们的方法就是再给我开抗生素啊(我讨厌反复的吃这个)
这是让人很沮丧的经历,我看见有个刚2个月的哥们看起来已经开始重新长发了,而我的植发区甚至还挺红的
WTF! Fred,相信我吧,你会恢复的很好的,我想知道我怎么知道的吗?因为你不是我!

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 楼主| 发表于 2015-9-14 10:30:16 | 只看该作者         论坛脱发植发交流QQ群:86809880
Think Im starting to see VERY fine hairs in my right temple...... keeping my fingers crossed. Might try to get some pictures if I can get them to show up Ill post them
觉得我开始在我的鬓角看到很不错的头发了。。。。穿过我的黑发的我的手啊。我应该拍点照片了,然后我分享给大家看看。

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 楼主| 发表于 2015-9-14 10:31:06 | 只看该作者         论坛脱发植发交流QQ群:86809880
Well I had some transected hairs in the back donor area which my immune system was trying overly hard to push out. I sat there for like 30 mins why he took itty bitty forceps and poked in each little bump and removed the dead follicle. I read about this online so its wasnt a super surprise to me. I am starting to think I should just be doing these procedures at this point.
呃,我有一些横断的头发在后枕部,我感觉这是我的免疫系统试图将它们弄出我的头皮。我坐在哪里大概三十分钟的样子吧,与此同时他拿着小小的钳子,并且去戳每个凸起的部分和移除死去的卵泡。我之前在网上了解到了这些所以这对我来说并不显得奇怪。我开始思考在这个关节点上我是否真的需要做这个手术。

Anyway he says normally the body just pushes them out in time but for some reason my immune system was attacking them overly aggressively. The area already feels better and there is now at least a little scab in place of the there is now at least a little scab in place of the bump and its not as sensitive to touch, so hopefully it heals quick so I can get a real hair cut again.
然而他很自然的告诉我身体只是在某个时间段将他们排出来,但是要说这是由于我的免疫系统攻击它们显然显得有些过分夸张了。那个地方已经开始有所好转,至少在凸凹的部分有了小痂,并且触摸的时候也没有那么敏感了,所以我相信它将很快痊愈这样的话我也就能够真正的剪下头发啦。

As for my recipient area. Its still thin and Im losing more hairs very aggressively for some reason. Could be the use of the topical FIN causing some shedding plus allergies and the summer starting.  
至于我的植发区。它还是显得十分的稀少,而且由于一些原因我的头发开始狂脱。这个可能是因为使用局部鳍再加之过敏以及夏季的到来导致的。

He swears he is seeing the start of some fine hairs coming in. Occasionally in the right light I think I see them but Im still worried due to my issue I had with my body attacking the new hairs after transferring. Im still afraid the follicles were killed or rejected. He says it could take 6 months before anything is positive and we can do another procedure but seriously if my body rejected the hairs once it will just do it again so why put myself through that again.
他发誓他看到了一些细小的头发已经慢慢生长起来了。有一次在灯光下我也看到了这些小头发了,但是我还是挺担心头发移植之后我的免疫系统攻击那些新生长起来的小头发。他说需要6个月才能看到比较明显的效果,而且效果不好的话我们也可以在做一个手术。但是如果我的身体已经排斥头发一次了,那么为什么还要让我再一次的接受那样的手术呢?

I am just trying to remain somewhat positive and hope for the best. I dont know why my immune system is so hyperactive.
我只有努力的保持乐观的态度并希望获得最好的结果。我真的不知道为什么我的免疫系统这么的敏感。

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 楼主| 发表于 2015-9-14 10:31:34 | 只看该作者         论坛脱发植发交流QQ群:86809880
本帖最后由 好头发翻译小组 于 2015-9-14 10:35 编辑

Well from Feb 13th 2014 to today (June 2nd here is some updated progress pics)
从2014年2月13到今天(6月2号并附有一些更新的图片)
   

You can see some of the new hairs. These things literally sprouted overnight. This is just the temples because you cant see anything in the center due to existing hairs but theyre there.
你能够看到一些新长出来的头发。这些头发真的是夜以继日的生长。这仅仅是在额角附近,由于已经存在的头发所以你并不能看到在中间部分的所有小头发但是它确确实实就在哪儿。

You can see the super thick pubie looking ones that snuck up on me and even the (hopefully) beginning of the VERY fine ones between ready to bulk up.
你能够感觉到头顶上很稀疏的部分已经在慢慢的生长,甚至那些以前正常的头发也已经慢慢开始变得更好了。
Im keeping in touch with the doc and fingers crossed that it just keeps coming.
我一直与医生保持联系,祈祷着头发不停地生长。
If this works Im already looking at filling in the crown in another year or so when this is paid and my finances are better (technically it is paid but Im cheap as ****e)
如果这个有效的话我将在某年当这个手术是值得的时候或者我的经济条件承当得起的时候继续移植头顶部分(技术上是值得这种情况还是可能的,但是我穷的。。。)

Saw today how bad my crown is. Now all I Can think about is hoping this FUE comes in full blast to have the other area fixed. Im so damn depressed.
看看我的头顶部分是多么的糟糕。现在我所有能想象的就是希望这个无痕植发刚开始是比较糟糕但最终能修复其它的部位。我真的处于极度的绝望之中。

update :6/23/14
14年6月23号更新
Okay, just adding to this post so I dont bump my thread.
好吧,增加这个到文章中这样的话我才不会打断我的思路。
Noticed my bridging from my front to my crown has been getting smaller, whether this is the FUE coming in, the topical FIN or both I dont know but I like it!
注意到从我的前额到头顶部分的头发变的越来越少,不管这个时候是无痕植发,还是典型的FIN技术,即使对这二者都不了解但是我依然喜欢它。

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 楼主| 发表于 2015-9-14 10:37:17 | 只看该作者         论坛脱发植发交流QQ群:86809880
Sorry forgot to update this.
很抱歉忘了更新这个部分

So far I just went for my 6 months and I wanted to ask him for the pre/after pics but forgot. Even my GF who came with me can see the difference which is nice cause when you watch it come through over time its hard to tell.
到目前为止距离我植发已经有6个月的时间了,我想要去找他要术前和术后的对比照片但是忘记了。即使是陪我来的一些GF也能看出两者之间的明显的差别,当你在这个过程里面一直关注它,那么就能更加感觉到这个效果非常好,这种感觉很难用语言来形容。

I still have quite a bit to go though. A lot of my hairs are still really thin. We can see them but they just arent there yet. He even put the area under the scope and you can see fine little mult hairs popping through still. Don't know why it's taking so long for them all.
我仍然还有很长的一段路要走。我很多头发还是显得很稀疏。很多我们能够看得见的头发过了不久就会不在了。他甚至用显微镜观测我的那块区域,这样你就能看到很多细小的头发了。并不知道为什么对这些需要生长起来的头发需要如此多的时间。

My right temple is still a bit questionable but he isn't worried and can touch it up. He would have scheduled me right there but all 3 of us decided to wait a year for better results first.
我右侧前额部分的头发恢复的效果还是个未知数,但是他并不担心,而且能够开始触摸头发了。他本来想安排我在他那里,但是我们三个都想再等一年看看更好的效果。

I would take some pics myself but its pretty tough.
我本来自己想照一些照片的,但是这个太麻烦了。
Perhaps Ill take some wet pics tonight since I think somewhere on this forum or my blog there is a wet pic of me during my rolling phase. Just kind of peetered out on that.
或许今晚我想照一些刚洗完头发的照片,因为我认为在这个论坛的某个部分或者是在我的博客里面需要有一些这样的照片。这个的出现显得很自然。

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 楼主| 发表于 2015-9-14 10:38:55 | 只看该作者         论坛脱发植发交流QQ群:86809880
well most will think I made this thread and forgot about it. Hell even I did.
很多人觉得我提出了这个思路,然后又忘记了,我怎么可能忘记呢!

As most will see I had a BAD experience with my first HT. Somehow I ended up with folliculitis in the temples and pretty much nothing grew. So how ever many hairs and time gone down the pooper. The doc (Tan) was awesome though and communicates super great and is willing to see you on the drop of a DIME and can really put you at ease. I never had a bad thing to say about him. Me and my GF actually have a long running joke about him sitting around in a smoking jacket on a huka everytime I would email or call.
大家会看到,我第一次植发过程对于我来说是个噩梦,不知怎的,我两鬓感染上了毛囊炎,头发在那块全光秃秃的,时间和毛发都打了水漂。但是,谭医生相当的有意思,同他交流基本上没什么障碍,并且他还许诺,就算一毛钱也没有,也会治疗你,这样的医生会让你非常的放松。我从来就没有说过他的任何坏话,其实在我和我女朋友之间一直有这样一个关于他的笑话:谭医生穿着冒烟的夹克,带着一个兜帽斗篷。每当我给谭医生发邮件或是电话时,这个画面总是出现在我脑海里。

Anyway on the year visit he said "let's schedule for a second to see what happened and fix this".
又一次去看谭医生,他说:“我们制定第二次的治疗计划,看看会发生什么,然后解决它”
As apprehensive as I was I jumped in because what could I lose? Well lot's I guess.
虽然和我第一次一样担心,但是我还怕什么呢,我已经不怕失去什么了,

Anyway we did the procedure with about 500-600 grafts to fill in the dead spots. After wards there was some grafting left over and we threw them in the crown area because we weren't throwing them out and he didnt want to stuff any more in the temples and cram to much causing problems. Fair enough since Ive read over density in one sitting can cause shock.
不管怎样,我们在两鬓位置植了500-600单位,完成后还剩余一些单位的植发,因为我不想把剩下的植发扔掉,谭医生也不想在两鬓位置植发,强行塞进,容易导致很多问题的发生。故此我们就把剩余的植到头顶部位。我觉得挺正确的,因为我曾读过一篇文章,在同一部位过度植发容易引发休克。

It was maybe 100-150 in the crown so not enough to really "do anything" but I wanted to make sure I wouldnt have any reactions there for future filling.
剩余的量大约有100-150单位,全部植发于头顶,这些的量也不至于引发其他问题。但是我可以确认将来没有不用为头顶植发了(嘿嘿)
Anyway I was feeling disappointed once again come my first 3 month checkup on the second time around since it didnt seem like anything was coming in still. I had no adverse affects this time around which was nice. The only difference I could say it I am on some extremely high anti histamines now for severe allergies since I had major sinus surgery the August Prior. It keeps my immune system in check so I dont get my quarterly sinus infections. My thought process is my immune system is more stable now and the HT didnt make my body attack the transplanted hairs like it appeared last time.
但是,我又一次失望了,我第二次植发,三个月后检查却发现没有任何迹象的生长。比较开心的是这次植发没有引发相反的影响。对比两次治疗,我发现由于我在八月上旬做过一次比较大的鼻窦手术,从而导致我体内抗组胺量很高。这导致我的免疫系统受到抑制,这也是我没有季度性的鼻窦感染原因。现在我的想法是在这样的,我的免疫系统是稳定了的,植发也没有像上次出现的那样引发我身体的抵抗。

Again this is a lot of self research and theory. Some of the Docs input to.
这也是做了好多检查和推论才得出来的结论,其中夹杂着医生的认识。
Well after the visit he stated "looks great", and was like "are you on meth?" (well not out loud). He said he could see lots of small new hair coming through. The only way I would verify this is because this time around I had lots of new hair bumps in the temple region and even the crown. I was still worried but just took his word for it.
看过一次医生后,医生说看起来很好,然后小声的说了一句“你打鸡血了么”,医生可以看到很多细小的毛发生长。这一点我也可以证明,因为在那一段时间我感觉到在植发的两鬓部位甚至头顶部位有很多很多凸起,我仍然感到焦虑,但是我还是相信了他的话。

One thing I did that made it really hard to accept was that I decided to shave my head about 2 weeks before the check up so we could really see how it all looked. I could REALLY see the thinning and bald spots and this threw me into such a spiral of depression I didnt think I would ever get out. Watching my hair grow back diffuse and awkward was horrible to almost wrist slitting proportions. On top of that EVERYONE EVERYWHERE let me know that they hated the shaved look on me. Except of course the like 3 old guys with shaved heads at work..... oh joy!
这一段时间我做了一件令人难以接受的事情,我想让大家明显的看到植发长出来的样子,所以就决定在医生检查前两个周剃了光头。这样我可以明显的看出秃的那部分,这让我感到很消极,感觉自己不会再恢复原来的样子。慢慢的看着我的头发不断的生长,尴尬得好像割腕自杀似的。最难过的时候是除了三个光头的老家伙同事,每个地方的人都让我感觉他们讨厌光头的我,
哈利路亚啊
It seemed about 4 weeks later I woke up one morning and it was like BAM HAIR.
直到四个周之后,我早晨起床,看到镜子的自己好像戴了假发似的。

Now this isnt dense thick lush hair like my brother but it also isnt depressing no hair like me prior. Its a friggin hairline! I will say I dont think I have EVER had an actual hairline. Its noticeable and looks.... dare I say.. decent?! Its also said that it takes a year for this to come 100% so this is just the 4 months fill in and Im a bit excited to see if any more comes in. Im also wondering if the folliculitis and shock may have stunted growth of the first HT and some may even be that finally starting to be noticable..... yeah I know high hopes.
现在我的头发虽然没有像我哥那样浓密,但是也是比我前期的浓密好多了。有发际线啦,有木有啊有木有!我从来就没有想过我能有真正的发际线。弱弱的说,有发际线的我看上去是不是显得相当的帅啊,据医生说需要有一年的时间才能达到100%的成效,但是四个月过去了,效果都这样明显,我对未来还真有点小期待了。我现在都在想,如果不是我的毛囊炎以及自己的震惊拖累了第一次的植发效果,我想植发的效果会更加好的吧。。。。是的,应该是这样的。

Either way Im feeling pretty good. Even the crown seems to look better now that hair is growing back and even the new ones are thickening. If anyone saw my crown pic a few weeks ago they can attest to the all time LOW I was in. I have a crown pic today but it was under horrible light so Im not posting it. In fact this hairline pic was under the same HORRIBLE light and it looks this much better. In the right lighting you would think I never experienced real hair loss.
不管怎样,我现在感觉好极了,头顶部位看上去更好,头发生长的很好,那些新长出来的也逐渐变的粗壮了很多。如果有人看到我前几个周我发的关于我头顶的照片,就会知道我那么长时间的消极低沉的原因了。我手上有一张现在我头部的照片,不过采光不好,就不贴出来了。事实上,这张有发际线的照片也是在相同的采光条件下拍摄的,不过这张看起来还不错。在正常采光条件下,你也许会认为我从未脱发过。

All I can say Is I FINALLY think I made the right choice. Yes it was money spent but it was money hard earned as well.
我想说,我很庆幸我最终做了正确的选择,虽说花了好多钱,但是,花的是什么值得的。

All I can say to guys who fall into it to deep is get out, get a job, make enough money to try something.
我想说,那些深深陷阱消极的陷阱的同志们,站起来,找份工作,赚取更多的钱来做些尝试吧。


There was one thing I REALLY wanted when I started this. It was to NEVER comb my hair forward over my temples and that connecting line again to cover the fact that I had that "island of hair" in the front. I will hopefully never have to do that again because right now its a GREAT feeling combing the temples BACK and parted to the side. Also in this pic my hair is NO WHERE NEAR as long as it ever was. My hair is MAYBE 1.5 inches long from after shaving.
在我贴出这个帖子,最想做的一件事就再也不会把我的头发往前梳来挡住前面那些没有头发的地方。我希望永远不再这样做,我可以任意的梳理自己的头发,不再担心任何事情。
在这张图片上我的头发前所未有的好,上次光头后,现在我的头发大约有1.5英寸高了。

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 楼主| 发表于 2015-9-14 10:42:42 | 只看该作者         论坛脱发植发交流QQ群:86809880

got a haircut last night and wanted to post up some pics. About 5.5 months now. When dried and combed in good light of course it looks great, when wet and messy in me hhhhhhhhh light its what you would expect I guess.
各位朋友好,昨晚刚理了发,现来更新一些照片。截止目前已经植发5个半月了,每次打理好之后在光线好的地方头发看起来都柔顺亮泽,每次潮湿混乱的时候什么样子,你懂得!

So far Im still happy and remaining positive. This is REALLY short again. In the past I had to grow my hair out REALLY long comparitively to get even remotely similar results in appearance and feared the wind with a passion.
植发之后我一直都很开心和积极,重新获得这种感觉真是太棒了。过去我一直尽量让头发相对地长的很长使我看起来头发很多,同样的,有过痛点的人都明白,这样的遮掩见风即死。


its a bit grainy because my phone took such a HUGE pic and I had to cut it down before I put it just now. I may try to take a smaller image and see if its less grainy but either way this is how your eyes would perceive it. I was actually somewhere recently and a conversation of something came up and then Statham. One girl thought he was a super hot guy (let it be known this GIRL was in no way super hot lol....). Anyway it led me to talk about hair loss and she said "why are you worried your hair is fine". I was just about to say, "well better anyway after TWO transplants" but held back for certain reasons. Not out of embarrassment but it just wasnt the place or time to bring that up, and THANKFULLY my friend kept his mouth shut who was with me.
图片看起来有些模糊因为手机拍摄的图片较大且空间占用较多,我需要裁剪之后才能上传。我也会努力尝试拍一些尺寸小一些的照片,但不论怎样,大家可能都会看到一些模糊的点。前段时间有次聊天中谈到了杰森斯坦森,有个妹子说他碉堡了(当然这个妹子不是我的菜)。我当时就说到了雄性脱发的事情,妹子说:“你的头发那么好你担心什么 “。我本来准备告诉她这是两次植发手术的效果,后来出于一些原因忍住了。并不是因为害怕尴尬,只是此情此境不适合说这事儿。同时也非常感谢我的好基友对我植发的事情守口如瓶。


IF you look at the over head view youll see where I marked it out. the red is areas where it was filled. The yellow is basically areas that were at least 90% empty. IF you look at the first pic in my OP here
你可以在头顶看到我用红色标示出来的植发部分,而黄色的部分有百分之九十的地方都已经没有了头发。如果你看到我发的第一次观测的照片


you can really see just how empty this all was. My front was seriously joined with the crown at this point and the island had pretty much emerged. The front center was almost completely diminished and I had ZERO temples.
你可以发现头顶区域脱发有多么严重。前面的头发脱的快要与头顶的头发连起来了,头顶区域几乎要完全秃掉了。前额头发也基本掉完了,而且我的两鬓没什么头发。

Now as some may have read in my other comment in the "impact" section, I recently did a run where my head got wet and messy and I took a REALLY bad shot. In all my hair is better, Id give anything to be able to reduce my MASSIVE forehead region but until something better comes along I think that is a pipedream.
有些人可能看到过我在头发受激素影响区域的话题下的评论,我前段时跑步出汗使得头发都湿了,当时的样子看起来真是糟心极了。我宁愿付出一切让我宽大的额头长出头发,但我知道这只是我的一厢情愿罢了。
Heres that pic
有图有真相!


After seeing this I was a little disheartened but I think you have to realize a photographed HT with any overgrowth is just not going to look great, and honestly its still better than THIS pic from this run I took a couple years ago before any of this
看完这张照片后我非常沮丧,但是我觉得你应该知道为了宣传植发拍摄的头发实际生长的并没有那么好,但实话实话,植发确实有一定效果。


TRUST ME when I say it is.
GOD THAT FOREHEAD!
相信我说的,这额头真是神了!

I would love to go somewhere where they could give me a fake lowered hairline for a day and just see how it looks and How I would walk around different. Maybe someone here could give me some tips on how I could surgically reduce some of that billboard space?
我宁愿去一个能给我让我有一天的假发际线,让我看看自己到底是什么样,这样走在路上别人会怎么看我。也许这里有人能给我些许建议让我做手术减少头顶秃掉的区域。

The doc said he was pretty much against lowering it because
但是基于以下几点,医生建议不要将发际线降的太低(种植太多的头发):
1) future donor need elsewhere
2) it would just not look natural at all
3) you cant get the density needed for that to look "good"
(1)        以后种植别的区域可能还需要好的发源
(2)        看起来会不自然
(3)        植发很难做到看起来非常棒的密度

Id REALLY love to try using body hair and put those AWFUL AWFUL Italian genes to work FOR ME for a change
我非常想用体毛进行植发,让容易生产体毛的基因使我变得不同。
I go for my 6 month soon and Im going to see how everything is looking then and talk about maybe doing a SMALL procedure using body hair. The guy is cool and perhaps I could smigoal in something for a deal.
已经过去了六个月了,我也在感受着生活的变化。同时聊一聊用体毛做手术的事情,那真是太酷了,也许我就能实现我的愿望了呢!

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发表于 2015-9-22 12:12:16 | 只看该作者         论坛脱发植发交流QQ群:86809880
让我看到了老外的植发情况,翻译组不错,会时常关注你们的
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