这基本就脱完了啊

统统 发表于 2015-9-7 13:57
感觉他后枕的资源很少啊，可以做那么多单位吗？

应该是要分几次做的，他好像把以前戴假发的地方都剃光了，但还是有毛囊在的。

感觉他后枕的资源很少啊，可以做那么多单位吗？

辛苦啦，支持！

由于原帖一直在更新，所以有没有完全翻译完的，发友有疑问可以复制过来，我们会马上翻译的。

Plug grafts to start with, and most recently BHT (that's body hair transplant). Three massive sessions of BHT, none of which grew. I don't want to hijack your thread though, this should really be your topic!
BHT的三种主要形式，没有以哪一种长出了头发。我并不想打断你的思维，但这个真正应该成为你的一个生活主题。
It would be brilliant if Fred himself would take the time to meet you so you could check him out in person, however a lot of guys are hesitant to meet others so that might not be doable.
如果Fred他自己能够花时间去见你，这样你就能够亲自给他做检查，这样将是一种很明智的做法。然而很多人犹豫去见其他人，这样可能是不可行的。

That doesnt sound good at all... was it FUT procedure?
I am looking forward to reading your story.
那个听起来一点也不好……它是无痕植发的那种类型么？
我很期待阅读你的故事。

I'm in my 50's, my first HT was in 1982 at age 21. I shouldn't have gotten a HT, I was too young for them to operate on. They were very crude surgeries and I didn't understand what I was getting into. "Stay ahead of hair loss" was a slogan of the clinic, but faulty logic if you understand HT. It can cause weak at-risk hairs to fall out.
我现在50多岁，我的第一次做植发是在1982年的时候，那个时候我21岁。我本不应该做HT的，那个时候他们给我做手术的时候我还太年轻。那个时候他们做的手术十分的拙劣，我根本不知道接下来在我身上将会发生什么。“保持对脱发的领先”是这个诊所的口号，但是如果你要是懂得什么是HT的话那么你就会发现这个一个错误的逻辑。它能导致损伤的头发脱落。

Since then I've had a lot of repair surgeries including BHT. Some of those grafts grew, while others didn't grow and were a huge waste of money.
自从那次之后，我又接受了很多外科手术这其中也包括BHT。这其中有些移植长了头发，但是其他的并没有长头发，真是太浪费钱了。

  Originally Posted by Scandinavian_guy  
引用Scandinavian_guy说的话

@arfy: I appreciate your concern. This is not something I take lightly. have you had a transplant yourself?
@arfy:感谢你的关心。这不是值得我掉以轻心的事。你以前做过头发移植么？
Yes, I have had many hair transplants, and most of my experiences are negative. I am a repair patient, I had disastrous results with plugs, and then some disastrous results from incompetent repair surgery using body hair. I see there is a 100 post minimum before posting a thread about personal experiences which name a specific doctor. After I hit that mark, I'll post about my background.
是的，我以前做过很多头发移植，但是我大多数的经历都是消极的。我是一个修复的病人，我有很多由于插头而带来的灾难，还有一些是由于用身体毛发进行不完整的修复外科手术所带来灾难。在以某个特定医生命名个人经历的帖子，我发现至少有一百个。当我打那个标志，我会张贴我的背景。
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  Originally Posted by FredTheBelgian  
I find my new hair line even better than my original one.
引用FredTheBelgian说过的话
They/you made a good decision with that one. Actually Scandinavian_guy, that's going to be one of your potential issues. It will be smart to transplant a higher hairline than what you currently get from your 'piece. Can you accept that?
他们/你们做了一个很好的决定。事实上，Scandinavian_guy,那将是你潜在的问题之一。相比起你现在从你稀少的头发上获得什么，移植一个相对高一点的发际线将会显得比较明智。问题是你能接受这样么？

   Originally Posted by Scandinavian_guy  
引用Scandinavian_guy说的话
In the case of more hairs, what would you have done? A lower hairline?
在追求更多的头发的过程中，你都做了些什么？一个更低的发际线么？

No, not that, I find my new hair line even better than my original one. It was too straight and kid-like when I shaved my head.
不，并不是那样，我发现我新的发际线甚至比我以前的还要好。当我剃光头的时候，头发很直就像孩子的有那样。
More density, the ability to grow it a little longer, and of course fixing the crown one and for all. But I don't think it's worth the money and trouble right now.

At least not as much as it was to gain back that crucial hair line and the front half of my scalp covered.
更加的浓密，长得更加的持久，这当然是彻底的修复的我的头顶。但是现在我觉得还不是说这个钱花的值的时候。至少要等到它恢复重要的发际线以及遮住半个前额。

In the case of more hairs, what would you have done? A lower hairline?
在追求更多的头发的过程中，你都做了些什么？一个更低的发际线么？

  Originally Posted by Scandinavian_guy  
引用Scandinavian_guy说的话
@Fred: Have you ever thought of doing more?
@Fred: 你有没有想过移植更多的头发？
All the time. The hair greed is real. You always think it's not enough, and you lose sight of where you would be if you had not had anything done.
一直以来，对头发的贪婪是真实的。你总是认为这个是不够的，如果你什么也不做的话那么你也不知道你将会成为什么样子。

Yes I think Fred has fantastic results!
是的，我认为Fred有着奇妙的效果。
..and think what you can get if you transplant even more hairs? From beard area f.eks..
我也在想如果你移植更多的头发，那么你将从哪里获取这些头发？是从胡子区域获取么？
@Fred: Have you ever thought of doing more?

@Fred：你有没有想过移植更多的头发？
@arfy: I appreciate your concern. This is not something I take lightly. have you had a transplant yourself?
@arfy:感谢你的关心。这不是值得我掉以轻心的事。你以前做过头发移植么？

arfy
Well perhaps it is possible for you to follow in Fred The Bear's footsteps, with a short buzz cut and perhaps a thinning crown. I really don't know. I cringe sometimes when I see guys giving each other graft estimates and specific surgical advice (etc) on an online forum, there are many factors including many things we can't know or see in a photo. It would be a smart idea to go visit some high-rated clinics in person, and see some of their average patients up close. Gather opinions, take notes, see who seems to be making sense and who seems full of ****. Learn as much as possible, while taking no action at this time, only learning more and considering the options. Not doing surgery should remain one of your options, hair transplants are not a magical solution. It's a really big decision and for best results, everything needs to go right the first time. So take your time with this. If you are desperate or in a hurry, that is seriously not good.

也许你可以跟随Fred,我也不太清楚。有时候当我看到人们在论坛上给其他人一些移植的建议以及特定的外科手术建议，我对这种现象感到害怕。因为有很多因素，很多特殊情况是我们通过照片看不出来的。亲自去一些高评级的诊所，并且近距离的观察他们的普通病人将是聪明的选择。综合建议，并记录下来，看看谁说的似乎有道理谁说的充满…..。尽可能多的学习，但是这个时期不要采取行动，只是更多的学习以及考虑别人提的一些意见。不做手术应该作为你的一个选择，头发移植并不是具有像魔法那样的解决方案。这是一个重大的决定,并期望有最好的结果，在第一次的时候任何事都需要做对。所以需要你慢慢来。如果你绝望或是着急，这是极为不好的行为。

Originally Posted by Scandinavian_guy
I am already spending 4500$ a year on my hairpiece. I have worn it for 6 years now, that is 27.000$. Accumulating this year by year would yield in an enourmous sum. I would rather take up more loan on my apartment and pay a big sum to get transplanted as many hairs as possible and get rid of my hairpiece.
Finally! Someone else said it! Thank you for this. I've been saying this on this forum for years: a hair piece is more expensive than a hair transplant.

And a lot of members said I was spouting BS, that it could not be true. I'm glad a real hair piece wearer finally confirmed this.

27000$ in 6 years! Damn, and in the end, you still have 0 hair on your head. I understand why you want to get a hair transplant.

引用Scandinavian_guy 的回复，
我已经每年花费4500美元在我的假发上。我已经戴了六年的假发，这些花费加起来就是27000美元。这样的消费一年一年的累加下去将会达到一个不可思议的总和。我宁可用我的公寓贷更多的款，然后花一大笔钱来尽可能多的移植头发，从而不用戴假发。

最终！某些人也这样说过！谢谢你这样。我在这个论坛上说了几年：戴假发比头发移植更贵。
很多成员说我是在胡说，他们说我的观点不可能是真的。我很高兴一个真正的戴过假发的人最终确认了我的这种观点。

Arfy
Thank you for taking the time to write a long reply. I really appreciate it.

I know that I never can get a full head of hair like I had when I was 16 again (unless hair cloning/multiplication or some other treatment enters the market). But I would be more than happy with coverage and not the look of a guy who is balding. I believe I have read somewhere that you dont see that you are balding before you have lost 40% of your hairs. If one could get 65% of initial density then this would imply a look of full head of hair.

I am already spending 4500$ a year on my hairpiece. I have worn it for 6 years now, that is 27.000$. Accumulating this year by year would yield in an enourmous sum. I would rather take up more loan on my apartment and pay a big sum to get transplanted as many hairs as possible and get rid of my hairpiece.

I would gladly donate all of my beard hairs and other bodyhairs.
When I see the video of this guy who have had 20.000 grafts transplated it must be possible?
Arfy，谢谢你花时间写了这么长的回复。我真的很感谢。我知道我永远不会得到我16岁那样的馒头秀发了（除非头发克隆增量或者其他的治疗手段出现在市场上）。但比起做一个秃头我更乐意头顶有头发覆盖。我不知哪儿读过文章说在你失去40%的头发前你不会知晓你秃了，如果一个人能够植65%的原生发的密度的话，这会让他看起来满头都有头发的。

我已经每年为我的假发花费4500美刀了。我现在已经戴了6年了，那就是27000美刀啊，，这么年复一年的加起来是个大数目。我更愿意用更多贷款花在我的房子，花一大笔钱来做植发，尽量能做的越多越好，从而丢掉我的假发。

我也很乐意从我的胡子和所有的体毛取发。
当我看了这个做了2万单位移植的哥们的视频后，我想我这肯定也是可能的。

arfy
Are you a millionaire? Just curious if you are prepared to spend the money on the number of grafts you want.

You should forget about a full head of hair. This is completely unrealistic for you, a hair transplant will never restore your hair as if you have no hair loss whatsoever. Coverage using grafts is an illusion. You're a Norwood 5 going on 6, and might very well be a 7 some day. You can't replace everything with grafts to match a full head of hair. It's not realistic.

I always worry about guys who are learning about HT doing mental calculations about how they can get massive coverage using all the hair on their bodies (6000 from here, 6000 from there) and in their own minds, it's just a matter of simply adding up the numbers. It's just not realistic for most guys. You've found a couple of impressive results, and you're asking if you can have the same experience. There's no guarantee that you will. You should also remember that photos can be deceiving (even when they're not trying to be) and a photo simply cannot compare to seeing people in person. So you should try to see some of these people in person. And not just the salesman who works in the clinic - I mean the average guys.

Also, please understand that body hair is an inferior source of donor supply. Body hair is limited in length, it covers worse than scalp donor hair, and typically not a great texture match for scalp hair. 3000 body hair grafts are not anywhere as good as 3000 head hair grafts. You might have to double that number to make a fair comparison. Beard hair is usually coarse (good for coverage) but also not a great texture match (unless your scalp hair is equally coarse).

I know you are self conscious about wearing a hairpiece -but you'll probably feel self conscious about having a hair transplant too. The idea that nobody can ever know it's a hair transplant - if that is super important to you, you probably shouldn't get one. There's no guarantee that your results will be perfect and completely undetectable (if you think differently, ask your surgeons to guarantee it in writing).

The first doctor you met gave you a pretty good prognosis. It wasn't what you wanted to hear. I know that sucks, but his opinion is valid. Yes, there are a few patients getting surprising results by using donor supply from other sources, but they are the exception. Could you get exceptional results too? Maybe. I don't know that. But most guys are average, and most guys get average results. No matter how many grafts you get, it will never match the density of your original hair (or the hairpiece). Even if you do get an exceptional result with transplants. It will cost a small fortune, and your satisfaction cannot be guaranteed.

I don't know how to advise you. If you get a transplant, you have opened Pandora's box. I advise against hair transplants, however I advise on the side of caution: don't gamble with your permanent appearance, and hair transplants involve risks. If you don't know all the risks, you should keep learning and keep thinking about it. Doing what you've already been doing in the meantime is a good option. If you were my best friend I'd tell you to stay on with the hairpiece, or transition out of it gradually. There's nothing wrong with being bald, and the older you get, the less you will care. If you start going down the HT route, your hair will be an ongoing unresolved issue for years, possibly long term.
你是百万富翁吗，就是好奇你居然准备为了这么多的单位花钱啊。
满头秀发就别想了你，这对你很现实，植发不可能把你变的像没用脱发，有勇气做这么些单位也是幻想，你现在5级脱发快6级了，有天很可能就7级了，你不可能用移植来取代满头的头发，这是不现实的。

我一直担忧的是，研究植发的发友们一直在脑子里算着怎么从他们的身体上（6000从这取，6000从那取的）移植毛发来达到最大的覆盖，就是在简单的算数。这对大多数人都是不显示的。你发现了一些人有不错效果，你就问你能不能得到一样的经历，没有什么能保证你可以的。你也应该记住照片是有欺骗性的（即使他们避免这样）一个照片不能跟真正看到这人相比，所以你应该努力见到这些人，不只是在诊所的销售人员，我的意思是普通人。

而且，请明白体毛是人的表面的移植资源。总量上是有限制的，它比头部的取发区覆盖的要差，而且发质跟头发不是很配，3000的体毛移植没有3000的头部取发区的移植好，你可能会把数量相乘公平的比较，胡须通常很粗糙（覆盖不错），但在发质是也不是非常配(除非你的头发也很粗糙)。

我知道你自愿戴假发，但你也会自发的想植发，这是个谁也不知道植了发的主意。-如果这对你超级重要，你应该去做，没有什么可以保证你的效果是无可挑剔的（如果你不这么想，那叫你的医生给你来个书面保证吧）。

你遇见的第一个医生给你做了不错的预诊。这不是你想听到的。我知道这挺糟的，但他的意见是可用的，对，是有些患者用了别的地方的资源后得到了令人惊讶的效果，但他们是期望，你是否也能有这样的效果呢？或许吧，我也不知道。但大多数发友还是普通的，大多的也是普通效果。不管你做了多少单位，它永不可能跟你的原生发的密度相配。即使你通过植发真有了例外的效果，这也得花你点运气，不然你的满意度不能保证。

我不知道怎么给你建议。如果你做了植发，你就打开了潘多拉的魔盒。我不建议植发，然而我想给你点提醒：不要为你的永远外表赌博，植发有风险，如果你不知道所有的风险，你应该多研究多想想。做你已经在做的同时事个好的选择，如果你是我朋友，我会告诉你，就先继续戴着假发过渡。变凸了没有什么错，你年龄越大，你关心的就越少了。如果你开始植发的道路，你的头发会在几年内成为持续的未解决的问题，可能是长期的。

Does anyone have any comments to this video? Is it just Dr Umar who could do something like this?
有人对这个视频还有评论吗？是不是只有Umar医生才能做的了这个？

Thanks for the reply rocklegends.
Do you think I could get something like this?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0jSVB1ihAo

That guy had 20 000 grafts transplanted, and only 5500 of them was from his head. I have a lot of beard hairs that I would gladly donate.

Koseu. This is all a very well kept secret. I transitioned into the hairpiece when I was balding and used concealer (toppik). I would be most comfortable to take 1 month "vacation" and then I have heard that I could wear the hairpiece 8 hours a day when Im at work. And the rest I would use a hat or something and nothing when in my apartment.
Then when the hairs have grown out I would throw the piece and buzz it all short.
多谢你的回复摇滚传奇兄
你觉得我能做这个吗？
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0jSVB1ihAo
这哥们做了2万单位，但只有5500单位是他的头发，我有很多胡子我很愿意移植给头发啊。
Koseu兄，这可是大秘密，我一直用的concealer (toppik)假发来掩盖秃头，我听说我可以一天8小时上班时候戴着假发，我想要一个月的假期，其余时间我就戴帽子，在家就什么不戴。
然后头发长出来后我就可以马上把假发帽子都扔了。